GOODYEAR, Ariz. -- In his Friday night start against the Padres, Reds right-hander Bronson Arroyo had an uncharacteristic outing with five walks allowed. In the 5-2 loss, Arroyo also gave five runs and six hits over four innings, including four runs in the first inning.

"Real unusual," Arroyo said of his outing on Saturday morning. "I've been trying to work on this sinker. It has great movement but I'm having a hard time keeping it around the plate it's moving so much. It's a different grip. It always moves, which is great. But it moves a lot. I'm having a hard time telling myself to throw the ball over the middle of the plate and let it run to the outer half. I'm so used to throwing to the outer half and letting it move a little bit."

The type of sinker Arroyo is trying out -- a one-seam sinker -- is the same one that teammate Mike Leake uses.

Arroyo, who is 1-2 with a 7.62 ERA in four starts this spring as he comes off a rough 2011 season, still felt optimistic about things going forward.

"It definitely didn't help walking that many guys and having guys on base, but I was really happy with the way I felt yesterday," Arroyo said. "I felt strong. My stuff was good like I wanted to be. I was finally able to cut the ball consistently for the first time in a long time. It just felt like a real ballgame.

"I'm happy with the way my body feels. You don't want to give up four in the first inning no matter what, but I feel good about having two more starts here. I'm getting kind of primed for where I need to be during the season."

Reds strike positive tone after Madson's injury

GOODYEAR, Ariz. -- Once Reds general manager Walt Jocketty got the diagnosis Saturday morning that new closer Ryan Madson would need season-ending Tommy John surgery on his right elbow, he and manager Dusty Baker delivered the news to the clubhouse.

"It was pretty quiet," reliever Logan Ondrusek said of the team meeting. "You never want to hear that about somebody, especially one of your teammates."

"Praying for my teammate #RyanMadson," second baseman Brandon Phillips posted on Twitter. "We are here w/ you bossman! Tough pill to swallow but our pitching staff will pick you up."

Madson was signed to a one-year, $8.5 million contract in January, leaving the Phillies. Upon arriving at Spring Training with his new team, he moved quickly to fit in and form relationships.

"I talked to Ryan in the outfield here recently during batting practice, and he was excited about the year," catcher Ryan Hanigan said. "I got to know him. I love the guy. He's a great pitcher and a competitor. It's disappointing, obviously, for him. It's terrible."

"I think everybody feels for him," starting pitcher Homer Bailey said. "Obviously, with the way we know he can throw the ball and everything, it's just tough. It's tough losing a player like that. You know how bad he must feel right now. Hopefully he knows we're all behind him. We definitely wish him the best and wish it wouldn't have happened."

While the team was unhappy to hear the news, and Jocketty was unhappy about delivering it, a positive tone was still maintained. He pointed out that other teams lost a closer with an injury and went to have success with the replacement, including the 2006 Cardinals. That club, led by Jocketty in the front office, won the World Series as Adam Wainwright replaced an injured Jason Isringhausen.

"We'll be fine," Jocketty said. "Obviously it's not what we wanted but we do have some very positive alternatives."

The club could likely turn to lefty setup man Sean Marshall and maintain a deep bullpen with Nick Masset, Ondrusek and, possibly, Aroldis Chapman.

"We're plenty deep with our bullpen," Hanigan said. "All of our guys are capable in terms with how it goes. We've got options. It's a good thing to have. Obviously we'd like to have Madson locked into his role. It's not the end of the world. We have to go with the guys we have. We have plenty of talent."

"We just have to come together as a team and take care of business without him," Ondrusek said. "I hope he gets better soon."

Over in Phillies camp, where Madson used to pitch, left-handed pitcher Cole Hamels' head dropped the moment he heard about Madson's injury.

"That's terrible," Hamels said. "That's terrible."

"I feel sorry for him," Phillies manager Charlie Manuel said. "I don't want to see anybody get Tommy John, especially Madson. I pull for Madson. I want him to do good."

Worth noting

Right-hander Mike Leake worked six innings on Saturday against Reds Minor Leaguers on a back field.